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Governor Brown signs co-ed bathroom bill for schools, school districts state no changes to be made as of yet


Monday, August 12th, 2013
Issue 33, Volume 17.


Sacramento, CA-Calling for respect for all students, a referendum was filed today to overturn AB 1266, recently signed into law by Governor Brown. The controversial legislation has come to be called "the co-ed bathroom bill" because of its provision that allows children in grades K-12 to choose whatever bathroom or locker room they feel matches their sexual identity.

California law allows the public to vote out objectionable measures passed by the Legislature and signed by the Governor, but the proponents of a referendum are required to gather more than 500,000 signatures within 90 days from the signature of the Governor.


Governor Brown signs co-ed bathroom bill for schools, school districts state no changes to be made as of yet

SACRAMENTO - Assembly Bill 1266 was signed into law by Governor Jerry Brown today. AB 1266 forces schools to allow students to participate in sex-segregated school programs, sports activities, and to be allowed access the bathroom and locker room of the student's choice consistent with his or her opinion of their gender. The law is the first of its kind in the country.

The bill will take effect Jan. 1, 2014.

"As of now, we haven't had any discussions or planning [regarding the bill]," said Melanie Norton, Communications & Community Relations Coordinator for Temecula Valley Unified School District.

The school district will await direction from Riverside County Office of Education. They will help school districts with guidelines on how this bill be implemented.

Although the school district has received concerned calls from parents asking if there are going to be any changes, because children returned to school this week, as of right now, there will be no changes.

"Our board is following the issue, Advertisement
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in order to address needed changes to our policies, procedures, programs, and outreach efforts that will be forthcoming," said Mark Dennis, coordinator, community and media relations of Lake Elsinore Unified School District.

"Current law dealt with this sensitive issue on a case by case basis," said Karen England, Executive Director of Capitol Resource Institute. "This law takes away students' privacy rights, puts our children at risk, and limits the authority of local school districts. AB 1266 does not require proof for students who claim to have gender identity issues so the school administrators will have to take the child on his or her word when they want to use the facilities of the opposite sex. The law does not provide safety measures to prevent abuses of this policy - districts' will have lawsuits coming from both sides because schools have no authority to fully protect the majority of students.

"The homosexual activists are forcing San Francisco values on all California public schools at the expense of the most vulnerable, our children."

Support and Opposition

6/10/2013 - SENATE EDUCATION (Based on text dated 4/25/2013)

SUPPORT

* American Civil Liberties Union

* California Federation of Teachers

* California Teachers Association

* Public Advocates, Inc.

* San Francisco Unified School District

* California State PTA

* Anti-Defamation League

* National Association of Social Workers, California Chapter (NASW-CA)

* Gender Spectrum

OPPOSE

* California Catholic Conference

* Capital Resources Family Impact

* Concerned Women for America

* Traditional Values Coalition

* California Federation of Republican Women


 

110 comments

Comment Profile Imagepaperallie
Comment #1 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Just another sad day for California. When we have elections that put nuts in charge this is what we get.
Comment Profile ImageChris
Comment #2 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:12 pm
"California Students Lose Their Right to Privacy" Fair and balanced journalism? Not so much.
Comment Profile ImageNena
Comment #3 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:37 pm
I hope that Jerry Brown has kids, girls specifically, and wonder how he would feel if his girls sat on a pissed commode? In addition, one must not forget the potential for disease.

What other travesty will we have do endure due to San Franciko sick assemblies, especially our governor, and their lack of common decency? Another good reason to leave this state!
Comment Profile ImageQueen
Comment #4 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Agreed paperallie, pretty sad indeed.
Comment Profile Imagejs
Comment #5 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. This means that gender issue kids, and kids who pretend to have gender issues, have rights, while normal kids have no rights to privacy? I am so glad that I do not have school age children or grand children in this state.
Please, liberals, stay in California. I plan to leave and don't want you where I'm going.
Comment Profile ImageBarri w
Comment #6 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:28 pm
This is a simply foolish act that shows the ridiculous outlook of so many Whitten don't understand most kids ....this just complicates an already complicated world for them....the govenor should be ashamed of himself....
Comment Profile ImageMegan
Comment #7 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Wow, u r right this law is totally unbelievable, It's shocking these activists & our governor should be ashamed of themselves!
Comment Profile ImageRose
Comment #8 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Im simply appalled at the continuing loss of the rights of the true American People.......sick sick sick sick.
Comment Profile Imageseriously... no like seriously
Comment #9 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:32 pm
This makes absolutely no sense. so for a couple of poorly raised kids who have not even hit puberty our children have to share the bathroom with the opposite sex. why? why cant they use faculty bathrooms? honestly I am so confused by why this is necessary. I dont have religious beliefs not against gay marriage, support those of all races. yet this is beyond common sense. always about the victim in this stupid state I once was proud of.
Comment Profile ImageSeriously??
Comment #10 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:56 pm
What this means is that our children, especially our daughters, will no longer be safe in school. I can't wait for the lawsuits to bankrupt our school system. My grandchildren will, as of now, be taken out of state schools and enrolled in private schools. BTW Governor Brown isn't married and he has no children.....
Comment Profile ImageKulMom
Comment #11 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:00 pm
That's it - I'm all for tolerance, equal rights, etc... But when some perv decides to PRETEND to be transgender in order to acces the girls' bathroom & locker room... Uuuggg I can't even fathom!!! Stupid law!!!!! There are very serious problems in our school system that are more important!! Governor Brown you screwed up the 1st time you were in office & you are doing it again!! I fear for the future...
Comment Profile ImageJames
Comment #12 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:06 pm
The only way to keep your kids safe in California is to Home School your children!!!
Comment Profile ImageMykidsma
Comment #13 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Thank you, Gov Brown, for solidifyibg my dexision to begin homeschooling my children. Better they miss out on California's public school system of special priveledge for the minority; screw the rights of the majority. That seems to be what liberalism has sadly become.
Comment Profile ImageSB
Comment #14 | Monday, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Who is the quote in the article from?
Comment Profile ImageS
Comment #15 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:13 am
Okay, so the next step is to have three restrooms: "His", "Hers", "Others". I'm liberal, but I disagree with this law.
Comment Profile ImageRob
Comment #16 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:16 am
In perverse California culture, even the word "sick" has come to mean something good. This law is vomitous. It is disgusting. I can't believe a state would pass such a law. My parents have asked why I haven't had any kids. Is this a good enough reason?
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #17 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:50 am
Bathroom -make them all unisex, one person restrooms- like a porty-potty, showers, make them all private, one locker, one shower, one sink. The cost will be high of course, but "it is for the children" so the state won't mind. Otherwise sexual harassment and assualt cases in the HS will go sky high. Will this also be pushed to the work force?
Comment Profile ImageGlad_I_left_CA
Comment #18 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:24 am
Is this really about people's right to be whatever gender they feel like being on that particular day or an open invitation to perverts? This supplies people with an easy excuse - there is nothing keeping that creepy guy from following your daughter into a restroom because now, if caught, he can claim to be "gender confused". This along with the disarming of the law abiding citizens of California has opened the door to perverts and rapists. Guard your children well.
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #19 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:52 am
What idiot in the assembly came up with this bill and why do we need it?
Comment Profile Imagelocal lesbian
Comment #20 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Talk about biased coverage? who runs your paper? the moral majority?
Comment Profile ImageBonsallGayGuy
Comment #21 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:42 pm
While you continue your investigation but continue to allow this so-called "story" to appear on your website because you refuse to take it down, I think it only fair that you print my original comment. And yes, I really am serious. I think you owe an apology for this!

"This newspaper's journalistic integrity has certainly been diminished by this so-called reporting. If this publication purports to have any credibility at all as an unbiased news source, don't you think you have an ethical obligation to supply opinions from both sides of this issue? Additionally, why aren't any of the quotes attributed? "

I think the Village News owes their subscribers and the community that they purport to serve an apology. The most charitable assessment I can possibly make of this is highly irresponsible, sloppy journalism. I think however what most other impartial observers might conclude is that the Village News is simply more interested in propagandizing than serious unbiased journalism.



Comment Profile ImageWilby
Comment #22 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:07 pm
I am convinced there is no saving California. We have only one party in this state and they are running a muck. This is going to damage more children then it would ever help. Governor Brown you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #23 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Just thought about it further and got even more angry......... What idiot came up with it? How could the assembly pass something so stupid that it can become the tool of every pervert to legally oogle any minor in a restroom or locker room and finally how could the "Governor" ( I use the term loosely) not veto it? This state continues to be the laughing stock for every reasonable individual in the USA.
Comment Profile ImagePooh Sticks
Comment #24 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Did you know any trans-gender kids when you were in grammar school? Me neither.
Comment Profile ImageJULIE REEDER
Comment #25 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:52 pm
To everyone who is upset.
This is not a Village or Valley News "Story." We post press releases (from right, left, and indifferent groups), breaking news and early version stories, regularly. That's the nature of this business now. The public expects items to be posted immediately and from those early web versions, stories are created for print. This press release was posted as usual, except the more radical quote was cut and inadvertently also the attribution. At the same time someone was assigned to call around to the Valley (Temecula, Murrieta, Lake Elsinore) school districts to get their reaction or see how they are going to handle it. Late in the day its the best we can do. We wouldn't have known about this new law if the press release wouldn't have come through, much like tax laws or any other law that isn't specifically for our area, yet affects our area. And someone thought we actively went out and found this on an anti-guy website, which is ridiculous. No one here trolls for anti-anybody copy to put up on the websites.
I don't know if Village News is interested in this as a story or will follow up to get a comment from the school districts in Fallbrook and Bonsall.
You might be interested in what was cut out of the press release. Here it is:

"but this bill was never about helping a few children that experience gender dysphoria - it is about furthering the radical Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender agenda by utilizing the public school system to force acceptance of the lifestyle on our children."

Hopefully the follow up and reaction quotes will follow in the next few hours.
Thanks
Julie
Comment Profile ImageOregonRain
Comment #26 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:16 pm
I really want my little girl in the bathroom with a boy... I don't care what he thinks he is.
Comment Profile ImageA.H.
Comment #27 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:23 pm
That's alright, I am going to go take a dump on somebody's lawn. I feel like I am a dog today!
Comment Profile ImageDR DR
Comment #28 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:01 pm
My daughter tells me that boys try to 'sneak' into the girls bathroom already without anyone seeing.... well, now he can just walk in.... she isn't talking about a transgender boy/girl either... she is 16 and has walked in on couples doing what they do ... They took the doors off along time ago so kids would be seen doing drugs.

I hate to think of the cries of rape because there won't be any control. Oh, And Bonsall Gay Guy, this has nothing to do with gay, lez or anything else but just pure stupidity.
Comment Profile ImageBlitz
Comment #29 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:12 pm
There's more to this bill. It also allows for joining sports. So biological boys can be on the girls' teams. I am wondering how this will pan out.
Comment Profile ImageGRUNT
Comment #30 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Saw on a different paper that this will "reduce bullying". Wow, I can just see that, "I was going to bully Steve, but since he is using the girls bathroom, and thinks he is a girl, I won't". (NOT implying it is ok to bully). but come on, if one were inclined to bully, don't you think this would INCREASE the chance? "Oh, Miss stevie..." etc. LIberals, stop with the pushing for the 1% rights at the expense of the 99%.
Comment Profile ImageLB
Comment #31 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:53 pm
This is absolutely horrible! I hope enough people come together and fight this ridiculous and waist of time law. The government is NOT in place to put our children at risk...now just wait until the first person is hurt or raped due to this law and then what? A line needs to be drawn somewhere and I am sick of the LGBT community forcing our hands. We are male and female for a reason...hello!! What an idiotic and hopeless government we have.
Comment Profile Imagepablissimmo
Comment #32 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Check it out ........... your far left Nazi style tactics are destroying our state morally and ethically. No doubt Mark Leno-the openly gay congressman who was on the "Safety Committee" for schools and other issues is just too much. No doubt he was in on this. You low information voters who either failed to vote(too lazy or didn't care) or voted for Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown should be ashamed. This bill is disgusting and I hope you decide to pull your children out of schools in droves to send a message across the demoncrats bows. Yes one party rule is destroying this state. No one seems to care-not even the elite media!! They are rotten to the core and openly advocate for Moonbeam and his lovely fellow socialsit party.
Comment Profile Image2 real
Comment #33 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Governor Brown has always been wacky.How he's back in office is very alarming,people should research who they are voting for!
Comment Profile ImageGood Grief
Comment #34 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Oh come on, why can't people just use some common sense? If you are gay or lesbian, just go into a stall, lock the door and use the equipment the good lord gave you! Come on you gay guys with a penis, what are you going to do in the girls bathroom, squat on the toilet? How about lesbian girls, are they going to try and whiz in a urinal? This is absolutely ridiculous. No wonder my kids have left this miserable state and taken their children to live away from the loonies. This stupid law is going to cause lawsuits that will further weaken our mostly unstable economy, the state will go broke defending themselves in court. Good.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #35 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:56 pm
Immoral behavior breeds immoral behavior.
Comment Profile ImageJill
Comment #36 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Don't forget this works for Locker room too. So I guess they can shower with our daughter also. Time to home school our kids or beg, steal or borrow and put them in private school. This is insane
Comment Profile ImageJustwondering
Comment #37 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:03 pm
So where are the comments by Jerry brown supporters..redneck bill..mr Jon Monday where are you?These are YOUR people..where's your support? This whole thing makes me sick..what can we voters do about this? We are just gonna sit around and let this happen..just like the decay of America...no one does a ,,,, thing.
Comment Profile Imagesupportive parent
Comment #38 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:11 pm
I'm glad the governor signed this. There's no reason why a transgendered youth should be forced into a boys locker room only to be repeatedly pummeled.
Comment Profile ImageLA Unified School District Teacher
Comment #39 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:29 pm
No idea what all the fuss is about. Several of the largest school districts in the state have had this very same policy for years. It's never been an issue that I've seen and I teach in very rough inner city high school.
Comment Profile ImageJen
Comment #40 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:56 pm
Nice going Valley News. I see that you guys are fulfilling your biased agenda. The comment threatening violence by Fallbrook Father really takes the cake!!!!! I think he'd be the violent one I'd be worrying about having my 11 year old daughter exposed to!!
Comment Profile ImageWarrior Dad
Comment #41 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:28 pm
The rights of the majority get stripped away by the few. A father of four daughters and I hope Fallbrook will stand with the morally sound majority! You want an apology- I'm sorry you have to struggle with your sexuality but please don't push you lifestyle on us. We all have right not just the few!
Comment Profile ImageMom of lots
Comment #42 | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:40 pm
So relieved my children will not be subjected to this abuse. Homeschooling privately away from the public mess.
Comment Profile ImageBonsallGayGuy
Comment #43 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:13 am
Regarding comment #25. Ms.Reeder (FYI-Ms Reeder is the publisher of The Fallbrook Village News):

While I am sympathetic to contemporary norms of the newspaper industry and its heavy reliance on wire services to provide news material, I still believe you have an ethical obligation to your readership to provide fair and balanced coverage to the news events you elect to cover. I understand greatly the difficulties of maintaining adequate staffing in this economic environment in which we currently find ourselves. I also appreciate greatly having the resource of a local paper covering local events. But I really must opine, in all due respect, that if it is your objective to be viewed as an impartial news source reflecting fairly on both sides of the issues that you cover, you must in fact due so. The above article as it currently stands, even now significantly changed and amended, is not worthy of the journalistic integrity that I would hope you are striving for. It is completely lopsided and contains nothing from the proponents of this particular piece of legislation. In fact, the only statements on either side of this issue are those of the most vehement anti-gay and lesbian organization in this state and its representative, Ms. England. Your additions to this story after being in place for more than 24 hours on your website are simply neutral at best and still offer no balance whatsoever to the anti-gay statements contained in the article.

While I acknowledge the absolute right of a newspaper owner and his/her management team to publish anything they wish, I am however under the very real impression that it is your intention to be viewed as a serious and impartial news source reflecting fairly on both sides the issues that you cover. If that is your objective, and I believe it is, then I would think you would act commensurate with that goal. Minimal standards of journalistic ethics require comments from not just exclusively from one side of an issue but also requires quotes being attributed to the maker of said comments from the moment an item first shows up on a newspaper's website. In this situation it would appear that the story didn't even make it off the news service wire in its entirety. If you simply do not have the staff resources available to ensure the journalistic standards which I believe you wish to maintain, then I might suggest you refrain from coverage of those issues which require those resources.

As constructive criticism in future regarding your coverage of issues pertaining to minority communities, your staff might actually wish to contact members of said communities. Since your news item above references the gay and lesbian community specifically by your use of the quotation "homosexual activists" and other quotes from anti-gay activists, you might really wish to consider contacting members of our community for balance. Below, please find a list of suggestions that you may wish to consider.


Mr. Max Disposti, Executive Director of The North County LGBTQ Resource Center http://www.ncresourcecenter.org/

Dr. Delores Jacobs, Executive Director of the SanDiego LGBT Community Services Center http://www.thecentersd.org/

San Diego Democrats for Equality (for a Democratic gay/lesbian perspective)
http://democratsforequality.org/

The Log Cabin Republican Club of San Diego County(for a gay/lesbian Republican perspective) http://lcrsandiego.org/

Additionally, San Diego County has several openly gay and lesbian elected officials. I'm sure they might be willing to provide you with perspectives from the gay community as well. Some notable ones are:

San Diego County Supervisor Dave Roberts

San Diego County District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis

California State Assemblywoman Toni Atkins

San Diego City Councilman Todd Gloria


Thank you for your kind consideration,



JULIE REEDER: Thank you Bonsall Gay Guy, it is still a work in progress and we're waiting for calls back with quotes. I always appreciate the time and thought you put into your comments.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #44 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:57 am
RE and @ BonsallGayGuy

Folks, BonsallGayGuy's comments reflect the entire LBGT community's DICTATORIAL attitude of their homosexual lifestyle and gay marriage being forced on society including our laws. The minority now forces the majority what to say, think and believe. Welcome to "1984". If this isn't dictatorship, then I don't know what is! Even journalism is now being attacked, and a journalist/publication has to apologize simply because ONE person is offended. So I have a question for BonsallGayGuy:

Who the heck do you think you are?

Who are you to demand an apology simply because YOU disagree with something that is written? The last time I checked, this is a DEMOCRACY where we have freedom of speech and expression INCLUDING journalistic freedom of speech! This ain't North Korea; well, not yet. But folks like you and the entire LBGT community are certainly pushing it in that direction!

But wait, BonsallGayGuy, don't despair should you be offended by a news article. I believe there is hope for you to overcome your journalistic trauma. I believe that you have three options to overcome it:

(A) Go see a shrink
(B) Go see Dr. Phil. (Heck, that egomaniac believes he could cure the devil.)
(C) Go do the pole dance on the Jerry Springer Show.

I highly recommend option C.
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Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #45 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:10 am
@ #41

Hear, hear!
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Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #46 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:12 am
@ #31

Hear, hear!
Comment Profile ImageUnbelieveable
Comment #47 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:45 am
So now girls who are stupid enough to want to do so, will be allowed to try out for the football team. There goes school sports. Then, of course, when the young woman is either killed or seriously injured when she is tackled by a 260 lb guy, the parents will sue the school district. There is no way that I will allow my children to go to public school. Thank God for my parents and my inlaws who will dip into their savings to help pay the tuition to a private school. I envision the private school industry to boom in the state of California. That may be the good news. Churches will grow because they will now have the monies to build schools due the increase in parents removing their children from the public sector. This is what happens when the crazies are put in charge. I'm not afraid of gay people, and I'm not worried about them harming anyone, it is the perverted straight guys that scare the heck out of me, and if you think they won't abuse this law as a way to get into girl's bathrooms and locker room then you don't have any common sense either. In 5 years time the public schools in the state of California will be ghost towns. Home school or private school, that is the only way to go.
Comment Profile Image@Pooh Sticks
Comment #48 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:46 am
How would you know?
Comment Profile Image@JULIE REEDER
Comment #49 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:59 am
Well said! I think the Valley and Village News staff is doing such a great job at posting stories. I constantly check your websites for updates on news in the local area and always feel I am informed. I do not agree with BonsallGayGuy - you guys are posting what you have at the time - because majority maybe (95% of the time) you guys will update the stories. I want to thank The Valley and Village News for always keeping us informed.

And for those who have a problem with it - no one is forcing you to read it!
Comment Profile ImageDan
Comment #50 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:08 am
I agree with the gay guy from Bonsal. Totally one sided coverage. Put your journalism skills to work. You can do better than this. And so do we your readers!
Comment Profile ImageDR DR
Comment #51 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:49 pm
This is to stop bullying the transgender??

How about teaching the transgender don't be ashamed of yourself. Starts with PARENTING and by the time he-she gets to school, there would be no bullying because he-she knows what he-she is. He-she sits on the pot.

He-she rises above a 'birth-defect' just like anyone else who has an ugly birthmark or visual deformaty....look at the visual scars a burn victim has... GOOD GRIEF, Kids make fun of other kids all the time - even if it's ZITS!!!!! They just do, so get over your problems!!

Maybe Lee is right - Doctor in the house??
Comment Profile Imagejs
Comment #52 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:15 pm
We might well ask who is responsible for the AB 1266 outrage. The answer is 46 representatives and 21 senators in the California legislature who voted for it and Governor Jerry Brown, who signed it. From web site http://legiscan.com/CA/Votes/AB1266/2013, the following 21 senators voted for it: Beall, Block, Calderon, Corbett, De Leon, DeSaulnier, Evans. Galgiani, Hancock, Hernandez, Hill, Hueso, Jackson, Lara, Leno, Liu, Monning, Padilla, Steinberg, Wolk, Yee,
The following 46 representatives voted for it: Alejo, Ammiano, Atkins, Bloom, Blumenfield, Bocanegra, Bonilla, Bonta, Bradford, Buchanan, Ian Calderon, Campos, Chau, Chesbro, Dickenson, Eggman, Fong, Frazier, Garcia, Gatto, Gomez, Gordon, Hall, Roger Hernandez, Jones-Sawyer, Levine, Lowenthal, Medina, Mitchell, Mullin, Muratsuchi, Nazarian, Pan, Perea, V. Manuel Perez, Quirk,, Quirk-Silva, Rendon, Skinner, Stone, Ting. Weber, Wieckowski, Williams, Yamada, John A. Perez
All of the above have my contempt.
If you don’t like AB 1266, don’t vote for any of these people in any future election anywhere.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #53 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Let me get this straight. In order to keep transgendered children "safe", the state of California want's to put heterosexual children, specifically females, in danger? That sounds like the wackadoodles that are running this state. It makes me sick, and thankful that my grandchildren won't be part of it, they and their parents have left California to live among the sane. The one grandchild left here has parents who will make sure she goes to a private school. I worry about the parents who can't afford to send their children to private schools or do not have the ability to home school. This is an atrocity. Children are, unfortunately, bullied every day, and not just homosexuals. How about just making the administrators do their job and take measures to stop ALL bullying!
Comment Profile ImageBonsallGayGuy
Comment #54 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Regarding comment #44.

Lee, given your very own and repeated public spats with the editorial staff of this publication regarding their decisions, I think it almost laughable that you now have the temerity to criticize me for voicing my own difference of opinion regarding their decision around this one particular article.

As for my opinions, they are mine and mine alone. For you to characterize one man's thoughts as representative of an entire group, especially one as heterogeneous (no pun intended lol) as the group in question, is absurd. I haven't even expressed my opinions about whether I support or not the topic at hand, namely SB1266.

What I do support is fair and balanced journalism and as I'll state once again, I do not believe that cause is served by the presentation of just one side of an issue.
Comment Profile ImagePreston
Comment #55 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Like everything else in Government, We the people must get off the apathy train, stand up and say no otherwise those that say yes get what they want. How many of those that are outraged will actually write their representatives and express their opinion of this situation?
Comment Profile ImageJulie B
Comment #56 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:29 pm
All I can say is this is disgusting and I am SO GLAD that my kids are out of school. They got out just in time. How pathetic that we are catering to kids with gender identity issues in this way and we are sacrificing the rights of everyone else. So if I am a girl then a boy can just walk right in and vice versa? Gross, wrong, immoral, sick, DISGUSTING!!! This state is ill fated! :(
Comment Profile ImageEscondido mom
Comment #57 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:35 pm
If the legislature ever decides to stupidly withdraw this new law, I hope the parents of each transgendered teen whose beaten up or murdered sues the &@%#!!! out the state and school district!
Comment Profile ImageJulie B
Comment #58 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Do you honestly think that being able to pick a bathroom is going to stop the hate, Escondido Mom? It's not going to. But it WILL cause a mess of other problems, I can guarantee that!
Comment Profile ImageDR DR
Comment #59 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:53 pm
@Escondido mom-This is not about transgendered teen getting beat up...this is about all the normal boys walking into the girls bathroom, because they now have the right to....because no one can stop them.

We the people are standing up for the NORMAL girls, wanting their privacy to go PEE!!!! and not disrupted by a boy walking into the bathroom... there are no stall doors.

@js: Thank you for letting us know the names that voted this. I am drafting my letter NOW - google their names folks and you can get the info...if I had it right now I'd post it.

Jennifer Garner and Halle Berry can protest pazzarazzi, I'll do my best in contacting them, as they have girls!! Hollywood listens to democrats.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Mom
Comment #60 | Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:10 pm
@Comment #57 And I hope that every parent who has a heterosexual child who is raped or molested by someone pretending to be transgendered, or just plain slips through the cracks, sues the $%&^% out of the state of California and the family of the perpetrator!! How the heck will this bill keep a transgendered kid from being bullied? Are you really dumb enough to think that bullies will stop bullying because the kid uses a girls bathroom? Are you serious?
Comment Profile ImageKaren Dills
Comment #61 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:07 am
I have to backup what the teacher in #39 said. This has already been the policy in many districts for years now. Where have the problems been? I think this law is a good step forward and glad that transgender students throughout the state will now have the ability to be themselves at school. Again just as one of many examples, Marin County, Santa Clara and Los Angeles schools and others have had a similar rule in place for a decade, and they have seen a great improvement in transgender students' success in school. There have been only positive results and I'm thrilled that this is being expanded to protect and support all trans students in California.
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Comment #62 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:33 am
Sounds like a great thing if only for the entertainment value of finally getting to watch the simultaneous implosion of every Christian fundie whacko in the state. Now, please pass the popcorn........LMFAO!!!
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Comment #63 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:26 am
Sometimes I wonder if there is any hope for this world. Then I see this long list of ignorant and hateful comments and am reminded that there is not. Thank u for reminding me you people, just how selfish and paranoid most people are on a constant basis. I didn't want to go out today carrying the misconception that people can actually be compassionate. Definitely not in Temecula at least.
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Comment #64 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:52 am
To BGG - would you (if you can) explain the difference between Transgender - Transexual - and (do not know if I should say "straight gay" or "normal gay" or regular gay"). I, and maybe others here, think that a transgendered lives as a female in a male body - dresses and acts female (or vice versus), but is attracted to the opposite sex. Wrong?
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Comment #65 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:58 am
How sadly my home town never fails to disappoint. Truly disgusting that so many of the postings here exhibit such ignorance of the issue and hence represent such willful bigotry against a tiny and vulnerable minority group. I support 100% the governor's signature of this compassionate, progressive piece of legislation that helps to affirm the dignity of the transgendered community of our state.
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Comment #66 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:08 am
PS-I agree with the above criticisms. Your coverage of this issue stinks and just serves to incite the bigoted underbelly of our community. You need to exercise more responsibility!
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Comment #67 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:02 pm
My point is one I think is shared with others on here in that we are NOT incapable of compassion, Carla, but yet the rediculousness of this law is also going to allow sick minded individuals to play games.. I.E. A boy who pretends to think he is a girl then uses the girls bathroom or vice versa. They won't have to show proof they are struggling with transgender identity, so where is the protection for those that will be harmed in this way? EVEN THE ONES WHO ARE TRULY transgendered and struggling. Do you get my point? I hope I am making sense.
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Comment #68 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:51 pm
What happens in our schools after this comes into effect will remove all debate.
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Comment #69 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:00 pm
What's wrong with sharing the bathroom? I share my bathroom with members of the opposite sex all the time. Are you afraid of you'll catch something? Are you afraid for your own sexuality?
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Comment #70 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:23 pm
@Carla.... oh please, give me a break. The only person on this site, other than Lee, who consistently fails to disappoint in their vain repetition is you. First off, no one is worried about transgender, lesbian, gay, or what the heck ever you choose to call it. We, actual parents, are concerned about the perverted creeps, and they are out there in great number, who will be able to prey on young girls (no matter what gender they may feel they are) by going into female bathrooms and locker rooms. No one will question them. The over protective, politically correct morons who run the schools and the government, will simply let them do whatever they want to. Please explain to me, PLEASE, just exactly how this bill will prevent bullying? Do you really, truly believe that bullying only takes place in the boys bathroom? Seriously? If bullying in bathrooms is so rampant in this state, why haven't the administrators taken responsibility and done their jobs? Why aren't transgender kids simply allowed to use the teachers bathrooms? Why do all you silly liberals think it is okay to expose my granddaughters to possible sexual harassment? Why is that suddenly okay? As for the nitwit who mentioned something about implosion of the moral people in society, don't buy your popcorn yet. I have a feeling this will end of being one of those reasons for church expansion. More private schools. I'm all for gay rights, what I'm not all for, is more perverted men getting a free pass at vulnerable young females.
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Comment #71 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:31 pm
This is my first time saying anything here but as a long time reader I really must speak up. Why do you allow this space to be used by the radical homosexual agenda to indoctranate our community? If you really are a family oriented newspaper you should ban all the homosexuals and their little friends. My grandchildren have acess to computers. Who's side are you on? Us normal Christians or the homosexuals? You can't be on both!!!!

Leviticus 18:22-You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10-Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:26-28-For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

Leviticus 20:13-If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Exodus 22:19-“Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death.
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Comment #72 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 3:59 pm
SMH !
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #73 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Carla, if you believe that a person who disagrees with homosexuality, gay "marriage" and this particular bill is, as you say, disgusting, can you PLEASE once and for all explain to me then what you call homosexuality and a homosexual?

PLEASE, let's hear it!
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Comment #74 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 5:28 pm
@Comment #72
As a grandmother myself, and a Christian, I must take exception to the first paragraph of your post. As Christians we are told, by Christ, to tell people the truth about God, but to do it with love, kindness and gentleness. We are not to use a sledge hammer, that makes us as bad as those who continually defame Christ and Christians, when they know nothing at all about His teachings. I don't believe that all the people who believe in equal rights are radicals. Many are, but not all. This is the United States of America and newspapers, according to the first amendment of the constitution, have to right to print all view points, and we the people, have the right to freedom of speech. The scriptures you quoted, are absolutely accurate quotes from the Bible, they are the Word of God. He also commanded that we should not lie, cheat, steal, or comment adultery or murder, however the world is full of heterosexuals who do all of those things. We are ALL sinners in the eyes of God. I will let Him make the judgement calls. He, and He alone, knows what is truly in our hearts. He can easily tell the difference between good and evil. Evil is going to be cut down like chaff and cast into the lake of fire, it is as simple as that. While I think that is law that we are discussing on this thread is stupid and will do nothing to eliminate bullying, it will only cause more problems, I agree that everyone has a right to their opinion, and have the right to express it. However when you use the term "us normal Christians" I have to say that God loves all of us the same, Christians, homosexuals, all us, are precious in His sight. I would prefer to pray for someone rather than condemn them.
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Comment #75 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 5:29 pm
I'm discusted! Not right at all!! So there will be many uncomfortable girls when a boy walks into the bathroom or locker room and are changing!! So glad I homeschool!
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Comment #76 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Threading on the rights of the many to provide priveledges to the few!! How insanely crazy and twisted is that.
Comment Profile ImageRedneck Bill
Comment #77 | Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Hey Grandma of 5,

Don't you just love the bible? You can make it say anything you want.

Watch this:

Matthew 7:2-5 "For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.

Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?

How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye?

You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye."

I could go on, but hopefully you get the point.

God Bless you ma'am.
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Comment #78 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:36 am
bathrooms are for going to the bathroom. if I have a penis I go in the mens. if I had a vagina I would go in the womens restroom. how does what someone see themselves or want themselves to be mean they should go in the opposite sex bathroom. logically if a student believes they are a teacher they should be allowed to use the faculty bathroom. this politically correct stuff keeps piling on. california wants to ride the liberal wave on any issue. giving illegals licenses in los angeles, for now just not towing their cars, pushing this bathroom nonsense, that just exploits transgenders for bullies when faculty bathrooms would satisfy, and gun control that makes no sense and with no proof at helping, banning lead huntin ammo while there are bounties of lead fishing weights littered in all water ways. I just want no more legislation by both sides. allow gay marriage, kick illegals out, quit social issues and get to cutting spending, start with the bullet train. and no one finds it ironic unions support this legislation because of the liberal leading state? you really think teachers want to deal with this? oh yeah they got their tax passed last year for their pension, sorry meant classroom.
Comment Profile ImageSeriously, too
Comment #79 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:31 am
Comment 71 hit the nail right on the head. This law puts the most vulnerable segment of society - and by that I mean females, not homosexuals or transgendered people - at most risk.

Biological males in female restrooms - females put at risk.

Biological males in female locker rooms - females put at risk.

Biological males on female sports teams - females lose out.

Another poorly thought-out governmental intrusion that will end up causing more problems than it solves, as well as putting an already vulnerable segment of our society at more risk. I will guarantee you, per capita, more females are assaulted daily than homosexuals or transgendered people.
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Comment #80 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:23 am
There is no common sense being used anywhere in our government anymore. If a liberal proposes it they vote it in. Next they will say that child molesters and rapists are just expressing their sexuality, and allow them free rain as well, the ACLU will certainly back them up. There is no way that this stupid bathroom law is going to stop bullying, if you believe that it will, prove it. Show me some actual proof please. The only way to stop bullying is to teach children, when they are toddlers and on up the scale that bullying is wrong!! It is not only gay kids being bullied you know. Kids get bullied everyday for being small, for being fat, for being geeks, for being black, brown, you name it! Some kids, hold the presses please, are even bullied because they are white! What are the liberals going to do to help them? Friends of mine had to take their daughter out of Jr High because she was being bullied by Hispanic girls. The school did nothing to stop it. If a kid is a bully they need to be the ones to get forced out of school, not the victims. This silly law is only going to cause sexual harassment problems for females. What else is new.
Comment Profile ImageBonsallGayGuy
Comment #81 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:51 am
Regarding comment #65:

Heterosexual: a person, male or female, who is sexually/romantically attracted to members of the opposite sex. (colloquially often referred to as 'straight')
Homosexual: a person, male or female, who is sexually/romantically attracted to members of the same sex (colloquially often referred to as 'gay' or 'lesbian'.)
Bisexual: a person, male or female, who is sexually/romantically attracted to members of either sex (colloquially often referred to as "bi").
Cisgendered: a person, male or female, who identifies with the gender of his or her birth
Transgendered/transsexual: a person, male or female, who does not identify with the gender of his or her birth. It's my impression that transgendered and transsexual are synonymous terms the difference being the former is an adjective and the latter is a noun.
Transitioning: The process of physically changing one's body, either surgically or with the aid of hormone therapy or both) from one gender to another.

Transgendered/transsexual is NOT synonymous with being gay or lesbian. A transgendered person can be either heterosexual or homosexual. I would also venture to guess that the overwhelming majority, probably 99 plus percent, of both heterosexuals and homosexuals are not transgendered but would fall into the cisgendered category. Please note: this is just my take on these matters. If I've left something or someone out or have inadvertently made a mistake please correct me as the only category from the above that I would fit into and have personal knowledge of, would be "homosexual/gay".


Regarding other various comments pro/con SB 1266:

I also wanted to say that I think it would be inappropriate to necessarily label anyone on this thread as a bigot based solely on their stand on this particular piece of legislation. While some, perhaps many, people may be responding out of prejudice others may be simply responding from a very real concern for the physical safety of their children.

Over the next few days, this proud uncle will be hosting a visit from his two wonderful nieces. One will be entering 6th grade and the other 10th, both attending California public schools elsewhere in this state. I too have some real concerns about what this new law entails. On the one hand, I'm very sympathetic to the needs of a transgendered youth as was stated up thread in #38 "forced into a boy's locker room only to be repeatedly pummeled". A transgendered youth has rights too and those rights to educational access and to be free from physical assault must be guaranteed and upheld. On the other hand, the idea of some heterosexual 16 year old young man and ten of his equally straight buddies, armed with wry smiles and their new found possible rights under SB 1266 deciding to commence a tour of the girls locker room facilities while one of my nieces is showering does not, to put it mildly, engender a warm and fuzzy feeling of comfort on my part. I am concerned if what I am hearing is correct, ie- that this law effectively eliminates the ability of a teacher, administrator or other authority figure from stopping a student on the basis of gender, or perceived gender, from entrance into parts of a public school campus such as a girls locker room. If this is in fact true, I would feel this law would be going too far.

Unfortunately, the article above gives no detailed information other than quotes from one of, if not the most agenda driven and biased organizations in this entire state. Consequently I'm left with no real choice but to seek further clarification and answers elsewhere. I look forward to hearing more about this new law and more importantly the specifics as to its proposed implementation both here in San Diego County and elsewhere before I render final judgment. I am also hoping that perhaps this publication may aid in eventually providing those answers.


Regarding comment #72:

People are entitled to whatever religious views they wish. As long as it is not imposed upon me or used as an excuse to justify state sponsored discrimination against me. You can believe and live your life according to any bronze aged, mythological, superstitious nonsense you wish. I couldn't care less and I don't believe it is my right to interfere. People are also entitled to dislike any segment of society they wish for whatever reason they wish, religiously based or not. I don't condone such beliefs, but that is their right as well.

Additionally, a website owner has every right to restrict access and commentary predicated on whatever criteria the owner wishes to establish. Free speech rights do not entitle the use of other people's property as a forum for speech against the explicit wishes of its owner. Your right to free speech does not extend to broadcasting it from my front porch w/o my permission. Having said that however, I would think a publication that wishes to maintain credibility as a broad based community newspaper that serves the entire community would in fact publish the perspectives of all members of said community. A newspaper that holds itself up as an impartial news source should in fact behave commensurate with that goal. The above story as it still appears some 4 days after its initial publication unfortunately still remains profoundly biased.

And the bit from Exodus dealing with animals? I guess that shows how some (and please notice I said 'some') Christians really feel about gay and lesbian people. Animals? Really?? Whether you like to believe it or not, we're human beings too!
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Comment #82 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:53 am
I hated gym class in school for the very reason that I always felt it was an invasion of our privacy to have kids undress in a communal locker room. I never got comfortable with that, even well into my college years when I still avoided gym classes except at the end of the day when I could just go home and shower. I'm not prudish, really, but I'm very private and introverted, and this was always an awkward situation for me.

To me the question of gender identity or homosexuality is secondary to that. I am a liberal and very open minded about others' gender identity or sexual orientation, but the whole idea of forcing kids to use communal locker rooms - with anyone - bothers me. So I am uncomfortable with this, but I was uncomfortable with the old regulations too.

It seems, though, that because there is a lot of emotion surrounding this issue on all sides, the best thing might be to provide additional smaller locker rooms for those who feel a need for them. Either that or give every child the privacy they really should have!
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Comment #83 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:39 am
Thank you BGG for your honest opinion, as a gay man, to some fears you may have about this legislation as well. Females have always been subjected to sexual harassment, and I see this law as one more way for that to continue happening, and with the state's obvious blessing.

No one should be bullied. Bullies are made by poor parenting. Many kids hear the nonsense their parents say at home and use it as an excuse to pick on someone they consider different. Some kids are just plain mean. If a boy grows up seeing his father, step father, live in boy friend, etc, abusing or talking down to his mother, he thinks that is the way males behave. Peer pressure also has a big effect on both male and female behavior. We taught our children to respect everyone, and they did. We always tried to be good role models. Many times we fell off that pedestal, but at least they saw us trying to always do the "right" thing.

As a Christian woman though BGG, I do take exception to your labeling of Christianity as "bronzed ages, mythological, superstitious nonsense". That statement hurts my heart every bit as much as someone calling you a "fag" would hurt your heart, and no doubt make you mad. I think it is a terrible, hateful word.

I believe that the proof of a supreme being is everywhere you look. The sky, the sea, the mountains, flowers, trees, birds, bees, the very air you breath. You don't see that, and that it up to you. Freedom to choose. To call my personal faith "myth based" is as ludicrous to me as someone hating gays is to you. It makes no sense. I would never force my faith based beliefs on anyone, however, I have to right to express my opinions about God, and if you don't want to believe it that is okay. No one can make you believe anymore than you can "make" me become an unbeliever. God loves you every bit as much as he loves me, the difference is, I say thank you Lord, and accept it. My personal choice.

Lastly, wouldn't it be nice if we could have legislation passed that would keep ALL children from being bullied or harassed. Better yet, let's all try to be better parents and grandparents, and teach our children right from wrong. Bullying is WRONG.
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Comment #84 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:48 pm
"People are entitled to whatever religious views they wish. As long as it is not imposed upon me or used as an excuse to justify state sponsored discrimination against me." But you feel it's all fine and dandy for YOU to push homosexuality on me and my hetro kids? @ Carla: Yeah, shove it in MY face and you pretend to be a hero, shove it in your....not even shove it just disagree with it and I am homophobic....get real. You NEVER cease to amaze me, you seem to have no stance or backbone on anything other than sure, lets all just let it happen. Would you even put an arm up to protect yourself or child if someone was beating the crap outta you/them? Uggg. I gotta say, I finally am in agreement with Lee on something (your post). Queen
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Comment #85 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:50 pm
it'll be great fun when the boys get to see the lil girls straddling the urinals....safe too! This is just idiotic. I agree with the person who said, "I'm gonna take a dump on the lawn today cause I fee like a dog." Hey, it's all for one and one for all.....let's all do it!
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Comment #86 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:15 pm
@ #85 Queen "@Comment 82"

THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU! I'll comment in greater detail later.

"People are entitled to whatever religious views they wish. As long as it is not imposed upon me or used as an excuse to justify state sponsored discrimination against me." And homosexuality, gay "marriage", this bill, etc. are OK to be imposed on society???!!! THAT'S OK?

Folks, the LBGT's argument is a lie! An invalid lie and fallacy! (Like I said, more later.)

PS. Where's Carla? Calling Carla, calling Carla! Are you there, Carla?

Over.
Comment Profile ImageCarla
Comment #87 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:42 pm
@Seriously??#71. Your obviously paranoid idea that schools would countenance rape is ludicrous. Your views are misogynistic and antiquated. Just guessing here but I'd bet you'd also support gender segregated high school cafeterias, hallways and classrooms. Would your comfort level be enhanced any if we'd put every public school girl in a burkah?

@Lee. Your hatred for the LGBT community is palpable. Your contempt for a group of people because of who they love is irrational, destructive of society and ultimately to the individuals who harbor these feelings. I think homophobia, like all irrational hatreds, must be actively opposed by all means necessary. It is a pox upon society. It and other hatreds based upon sex, race and economic class threaten social cohesion and the rights of all to live in a just society.

@BGG. You have said so, so much and so much of it is plainly WRONG!!! I know I shouldn't be surprised as I've heard this sort of stuff before but it profoundly disturbs me when a member of an historically oppressed minority group has seemingly absorbed and now feels fit to publically regurgitate, the insipid, malicious lies of the extreme right. Your niece is not in danger. As a woman I would like to assure you of this. This has nothing to do whatsoever about her or her rights. It's about the rights of transgendered youth, period!. As a supposedly gay man your use of your unique position to thwart the legitimate aspirations of others and their quest for equality is irresponsible to say the least. Also your seeming views that support a so-called right of private property over human rights is not in keeping with the broad based coalitions necessary to carry out the common liberation struggles of all. Your ideas that there exists a fundamental right to bigotry and the public exhibition of that bigotry in the form of hate speech is insupportable as well. Hate speech should be thoroughly criminalized as it has been already in such countries as Holland and most notably France.


More to follow on this matter as I have a busy schedule from now until well into the late evening.......
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Comment #88 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:35 pm
@Carla: If hate speech is banned and those who use it are thrown into prisons never to be seen again, you will be the first one to be carted off to the dungeons. The vile spew that just erupted from your mouth is some of the worst examples of lack of knowledge and bias that I have ever come across. I would say shame on you, but I have no doubt that you wouldn't even understand what shame means.

Your extremely biased and unfounded charges against myself is worse than any hate speech I have ever encountered. Were you spewing spittle across the room in your fury? I have never, NEVER, said one word against gays or gay rights. I'm a firm believe in equality for EVERYONE. You then attack Bonsall Gay Guy because instead of sticking up for the left wing, liberal nut jobs that you are in lock step with, he actually questioned, yes questioned, the validity of this legislation. I don't believe for one minute that it is ludicrous to think that males using the same bathroom, locker room, and shower rooms as females, could be doing so for nefarious reasons. Are you saying that it will be impossible for someone to end up being raped? How do you know?

I think it would be nice if everyone could be protected from bullies, why does that bother you so much? You do nothing but call people names who disagree with you, you are as much a hater as Lee, and people like him. There isn't an ounce of difference between you. You both are so filled with hate and malice toward others that you cannot see the log jam in your own eye. I'm sure that when the jack booted storm troupers whom you support come into power you will be happy. Until then you will just remain an unhappy person.
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Comment #89 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:43 pm
I too share a bathroom.with males and females...inMY own home..heck ive even used a toothbrush that was my kids..but that's MY family..my choice. for those who think this is wonderful apparently you don't remember going through puberty..how many girls want to use the Kotex machine when there are others nearby.. There are stalls in bathrooms..use them. What's next..non segregated public bathrooms? Face it..I don't want to pee in a public bathroom when 3 or 4 men are using the urinal..if you want co Ed bathrooms..go to Hussongs

This has nothing to do with protecting transgender kids..
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Comment #90 | Friday, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:38 pm
@BGG - thank you. As an old Marine, I am not used to gays; knew two in the Corps- help to throw both out. Not sure if I know any now or not; however I enjoy your posts as I think you write about what is important to YOU and not satisfy an agenda. Good luck to you and best wishes for a happy life.
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Comment #91 | Saturday, Aug 17, 2013 at 9:15 am
Regarding comment #85. How exactly have I imposed my homosexuality on you and your heterosexual children? Details please.


Regarding comment #84. I'm sorry Pink. We've gone down this road before on here some years ago. I think you know my position on religion. I'm simply not a believer. And the above statement really does summarize my true feelings about not only the three major Abrahamic faiths, Christianity, Judaism and Islam but religion in its entirety. Where you see a tree and the hand of God, I simply see a tree. I have no explanation to offer as to how it got there or how the first of its kind originated. But I decline to participate in a belief system in order to simply fill a void of knowledge. I want you to know that it is not a spiteful refusal to see the hand of your God. I know many gay and lesbian people who consider themselves devout Christians, Jews ect. It's that I really simply don't see/feel what you do. I also understand and accept that we will never agree on this point and I'm glad that neither one us expresses any desire to impose his or her view upon the other (although what that means in practical terms we might not agree on and it may be subject to difficult negotiations). But I think coming to this reality is the first step towards making a better, less contentious existence for all in this country. The existence of my rights do not necessitate the subjugation and extinguishment of your rights nor vice versa.

In regards to you and specifically to your religion, The Roman Catholic Church has an absolute right to its beliefs and public pronouncements of its beliefs but at the same time I also have an absolute right to publically assess its legitimacy and reject its claims in regards to my own life. Perhaps I can do a better job at expressing those opinions more tactfully in the future. If I've hurt you specifically, please believe me that that wasn't my intent.



Regarding #85. Carla, while I realize that 'group speak' and 'group thought' may be all the rage among the far left, I hate to break the news to you but I am an individual. My thoughts and opinions are those of my own and are not necessarily held by all people with whom I might share some demographic commonality. Other than your positions on same sex marriage, I can't think off the top of my head any political comment you've ever written here that I could possibly agree with.

And speaking of points of disagreement, I strongly disagree with the concept of hate speech laws. How would we even define it? Just look at this thread as an example. Is my comment I made up thread regarding my opinion about religion hate speech? Pink views it as hurtful, what if someone else were to view it as hateful? There are biblical passages quoted up thread that many would interpret as biblical sanction to kill gay and lesbian people. Is that hate speech? You actually believe that the government should be dictating what you and I can say to each other? No thank you!!

I think in a free society, we must be able to freely communicate with one another without these types of restrictions imposed by the government.
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Comment #92 | Saturday, Aug 17, 2013 at 9:49 am
It would appear that Lee want's to repeal the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution, and Carla want's to repeal the 1st. No right to freedom of speech anymore, no right to keep and bear arms. Sounds to me like they have quite a bit in common. The overthrow of our government. The only thing they appear to disagree about is who they plan to throw into the concentration camps. Der Fuhrer would be proud.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #93 | Saturday, Aug 17, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Carla, you believe that " . . . homophobia, like all irrational hatreds, must be actively opposed by all means necessary?" I emphasize "all" to make my point.

Really? By ALL means . . . including violent ones? Wow!

No comment.

BonsallGayGuy, "I think in a free society, we must be able to freely communicate with one another without these types of restrictions imposed by the government." Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, but you only told an AMERICAN journalist (A) to apologize for what she has written, and (B) treated her like an imbecile who to consult PRIOR to publication of her next article! lol And you wonder why people like me -- and others, I can assure you -- don't take you, your lifestyle and argument seriously, but absolutely think them comical?! You contradict yourself left and right to simply suit YOUR lifestyle, argument, agenda, etc. Absolutely pathetic! And then, you IN FACT deny a person his First Amendment right of freedom of speech telling him WHAT to say, believe and think (your comment #3):

www.thevillagenews.com/story/72555/

And YOU now have the nerve to say . . . "I think in a free society, we must be able to freely communicate with one another without these types of restrictions imposed by the government?"

UNBELIEVABLE!
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Comment #94 | Saturday, Aug 17, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Regarding comment #94. I wrote "I think in a free society, we must be able to freely communicate with one another without these types of restrictions imposed by the government." Please review the sentence carefully paying particular attention to the last three words, "by the government".

I have never denied that this publication has the absolute right to print whatever they want nor have I ever suggested that it should be otherwise. I have however stated my opinion about the quality of their work regarding this article and my suggestions for improvement. (Also please note that the article as it now stands has significantly changed since my first criticisms were posted). I suggested that when this publication covers minority communities that they might "might actually wish to contact members of said communities" and regarding the gay community provided the names of individuals and organizations if the publisher wished to do so. I felt then and now that the article is biased and one sided. Those are my opinions and I have a right to them and to express them as do you.

Regarding your nonsensical contention that countering your opinion by then stating my own differing opinion, that this is somehow a violation of your 1st Amendment rights is ridiculous. (www.thevillagenews.com/story/72555/ as per my comment #3). The First Amendment guarantees you the right of speech without state abridgement. It does not guarantee you a right or expectation to not have your speech criticized by others. It does not guarantee you the right to expect silence from people with whom you disagree.

In conclusion, if you have any real concerns about the possible suppression of people's opinions, I might suggest you direct your criticisms to the maker of comment #72.
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Comment #95 | Saturday, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:39 pm
How this discussion has been allowed to digress to 1st amendment rights is beyond me when last Easter specific comments regarding the Spring Bunny article were very quickly stopped at just 3 or 4 comments. Hmmmm.
Comment Profile ImageSo what?
Comment #96 | Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 1:14 am
All these poor little frightened people scared of "the other". Life moves on. Things change. Deal with it!
Comment Profile ImageJulie B
Comment #97 | Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:13 am
Hey, if you oppose this bill then start gathering all your friends and family and beyond to sign the referendum. You only get 90 days to aquire 500,000 signatures. I wouldn't know the first place to start or where to sign, does anyone else know?
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Comment #98 | Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:37 am
My dear BonsallGayGuy, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

The written word don't lie; people do . . . like you.
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Comment #99 | Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Regarding Comment #99: Lee should know. He can't fool any of the people any of the time.

@BGG: Thank you for the kind words. We must agree to disagree where discussions of faith are concerned. I will continue to pray for you my friend. It can't hurt. (-: As far as finding your comments hateful, not at all. Hurtful, yes. That is why we can never allow freedom of speech to be removed from our Constitution. One persons hate speech is another persons right to their opinion. Who is to judge. Most quote un quote hate speech, is nothing more than just plain ignorance, and the last time I looked, stupidity wasn't against the law. If it were half the population would be in jail (including certain people on this thread) The job we MUST all do is teach our children right from wrong. We must train them up to believe that hurtful words are as bad as bullets. Bullies are not born, they are made.
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Comment #100 | Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:53 pm
@ #96 John

How did this discussion turn to the First Amendment? Please read BonallGayGuy's comments #21 & 43.

Actually, the First Amendment has a great deal to do with the gay "marriage" issue. Very briefly, does a heterosexual person have the right to NOT be subjected to a homosexual ideology? Do heterosexual parents have the right to NOT have their children be exposed to a homosexual ideology and indoctrination such as this Bill AB 1266? Does a person have the right to NOT accept two men or two women as a married couple? I sincerely hope that the answer to all the questions is yes. If it is no, then we do not have freedom of speech. If you would like a sampling of what that paradigm of non-freedom of speech looks like, please see BonsallGayGuy's comment #3 at this discussion thread: www.thevillagenews.com/story/72555/

Welcome to dictatorship!
Comment Continued : The comment above was written from the same location.
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Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #101 | Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:47 pm
@ BonsallGayGuy #95

"It [First Amendment] does not guarantee you the right to expect silence from people with whom you disagree." Guess what? I could not agree more. I don't expect silence. (I certainly think you know by now how I feel about freedom of speech: I believe in absolutely NO CENSORSHIP by any person or anybody. Period. You can quote me on that! In fact, if somebody ever would, or will, try to censor you (or anybody else) in any way, shape or form, I will be the first one to come to your aide. Yes, you can quote me on that, too. I just read the very last comment by Redneck Bill #58 at the following thread www.thevillagenews.com/story/72555/ and can easily tell you that he is nuts!) But that is NOT what you did. You did not simply criticize me; you TOLD me what to say.

BonsallGayGuy/Folks, PLEASE read for yourself: www.thevillagenews.com/story/72555/ Comment # 3

I, a human being, said A, and you, another human being said, that I CANNOT say A, but MUST say B. PLEASE reread your comment. That is CLEARLY denying somebody their First Amendment right!
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Comment #102 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:36 am
Regarding comment #101.

"does a heterosexual person have the right to NOT be subjected to a homosexual ideology?"

What exactly does this mean, Lee? Are you talking about the public side walks or your living room? Are you talking about a rainbow flag bumper sticker attached to a private automobile when driven along a public road? Are you talking about a parade permit being granted for the use of a public thoroughfare or public park to hold a Gay Pride Parade where it might be visible to you? Are you talking about a gay or lesbian citizen of this country being able to run for public office and talking about his/her spouse or domestic partner in a TV commercial broadcast over the public airwaves?




"Do heterosexual parents have the right to NOT have their children be exposed to a homosexual ideology and indoctrination such as this Bill AB 1266?"

Again, specifically what are you talking about? Parents, gay parents or straight parents alike may object to AB1266. They have that right. Or if parents don't want their children exposed to students or faculty of a particular ethnic background, sexual orientation, religious persuasion etc. in a public school, they are and should be entirely free to remove their children from said schools. If however you don't want a Jewish, African-American or gay student or teacher in a classroom with your child, you should have no reasonable expectation that that Jewish, African-American or gay student or teacher should be the one removed. Additionally, if a parent doesn't want his/her child exposed to the historical facts relating to say, the Black Civil Rights Movement, or the Suffragettes/modern day Women's Rights Movement, or Stonewall and the Gay and Lesbian Civil Rights Movement or the persecution of Mormons and the Mormon Trail or Native Americans and the Trail of Tears, etc., etc., etc., then those parents have every right to remove their children from the public schools as well.




"Does a person have the right to NOT accept two men or two women as a married couple?"

Yes, to the same extent that a person has a right to not accept an interracial couple as a married couple. Or doesn't want to accept a marriage presided over by a priest because of his/her belief that the Roman Catholic Church is a manifestation of apostasy. Or someone doesn't wish to accept as married a couple because one or both spouses were previously married or not properly divorced from their previous marriage in the eyes of his/her church.




Regarding comment #102.

Lee, you also stated, "In fact, if somebody ever would, or will, try to censor you (or anybody else) in any way, shape or form, I will be the first one to come to your aide".

Again for the second time now, please take your so-called concerns up with the maker of comment #72, more specifically where she states that the Fallbrook Village News "should ban all the homosexuals and their little friends" from this site. I've yet to hear you utter so much as a peep about that as of yet.


And finally as for www.thevillagenews.com/story/72555/ my comment #3. Your persecution complex is getting really tiring. I didn't stop you from saying anything. I never told you what you could or could not say.
Comment Profile ImageDR DR
Comment #103 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:27 am
It is actually two fathers that have taken their sons out of school in protest of this bill - wow!!!

It came across my phone app for Fox News. Double Wow!!
Comment Profile ImageLMAO
Comment #104 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:17 am
All that I can say is, that when and if Lee ever dies, I hope he will leave his brain to science.
Comment Profile ImageThink again!
Comment #105 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:43 am
Lee has a brain?
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #106 | Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:15 pm
I know that this probably has nothing to do with the actual subject at hand, but it certainly seems to me that the City of San Diego would have been better off if they had elected the Republican candidate Carl Demaio, an openly gay man to the office of Mayor instead of the left wing liberal Democrat they did elect, an out-of-control heterosexual. Certainly the women involved in city government would have been safe from any sexual advances.
Comment Profile ImageJohn G.
Comment #107 | Tuesday, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:01 pm
The solution to this craziness in Sacramento is to force California Governor "Moonbeam" Jerry Brown out of office now. Sign a recall petition and also get every California Legislator who voted for AB 1266 recalled as well.

Your school-age children deserve better than this.

Maybe it is time to defund the California Department of Education?
Comment Profile ImageJacque G
Comment #108 | Monday, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:12 pm
What sucks the most is being born transsexual in a world that is too ignorant to understand and too unwilling to educate themselves and admit they are wrong about the way they judge you. The religious ones are the worst. I see all these negative comments here and it adds up to one thing: The USA sucks for transgenders.
Comment Profile ImageBe Awake
Comment #109 | Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:38 pm
If the Bill were passed, is it analogous to saying that our children are forced to see live
porn everyday?
Comment Profile ImageMay B Wright
Comment #110 | Friday, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:55 pm
They forgot to add a group under the "OPPOSED" section: (Every normal person) Jacque G your calling a whole world ignorant, your not born transsexual, your just born and then you have boy parts or girl parts, SIMPLE

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