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Wednesday, February 18th, 2009. Issue 08, Volume 13. Story Last Updated : Sep 10th. A federal prohibition on the sales of new and used mini dirt bikes has impacted every original equipment manufacturer (OEM), dealership and repair facility for 85cc, 70cc, 65cc and 50cc displacement mini bikes. This targets an entire industry of age 12-and-under motorized recreationalists that accounts for a conservative number of 50,000 young athletes nationwide. The Consumer Protection Safety Commission (CPSC) introduced a broad sweeping stay (prohibition) with the Feb. 10 release of the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA) of 2008, which impacts a large spectrum of the economy, not just mini bikes. The intent of the act is to protect children from ingesting harmful substances (lead) or dangerous product designs that can cause harm from everyday consumer goods like cribs, window blinds, bicycles and common toys. In the CPSIA language, certain parts of a mini bike may contain lead in excess of 600ppm (parts per million). Specifically in the mini bike: valve stems, sparkplugs and rarely applied battery terminals in vehicles with electric starts or lights. Many dealers reported having only a 10-day notice from their OEMs to pull all of the 19 listed mini bike and mini quad models off their showroom floors. In a blanket statement to their contracted dealers, "Do not sell." That notice included all replacement parts necessary for maintenance and repair that applies as a (cataloged) component application for each mini bike model. No exceptions; zero sales. To put that into writing for basic public understanding: frequently worn and replaced parts such as tires, tubes, grips, levers, gaskets, brake pads, chains, springs, cables, fork seals and body plastic are just the top of the heap of every conceivable component banned for distribution or sale. This includes safety gear and aftermarket accessories designed for specific models.
Local dealers’ perspective R.J. Savage, owner of All American KTM in Ramona, stated, "Two weeks ago my OEM sent me a very gray document. I believe the OEMs were not aware this was coming down the pipe." Savage sighed, "It said all two-wheeled 85cc and below mini bikes, and the 90cc Polaris four-wheeled quads, must be pulled from the showroom floor. "The Polaris have to await a sticker kit to be delivered to put on the little machines stating that only kids 13 years old and older can legally ride the 90cc quads. Then they can go back out on the sales floor. "Shortly after that, KTM sent me a notice to pull all youth [safety] gear. I pulled helmets, boots, goggles, gloves, pants and knee guards off the showroom floor. "Yeah, that’s really looking out for children’s safety, ’cause all that gear has to be tested for lead too? "We’re a small boutique dealer. Over 400 families nationwide race out of this store. No more donations and helping out the Risk Safety Foundation or the volunteer education, outreach and community fundraising efforts of the Fire Police MX Team we support. "The problem is my business is down 70 percent year to date over this time last year. Now the federal government is taking away an additional 40 percent of my revenue that’s directly mini market-related? I’m done. "The MX industry is getting completely disassembled. I have $200,000 in inventory that I can’t sell and I’m paying interest on $180,000 of that. "I know I’m not the only one. This is a national travesty. The burden of layoffs is next." Jeremy Howe, the sales manager of Callaway Motorsports in downtown Riverside, received his first "Do not sell" notice from one of the OEMs three weeks ago. "At this time [Feb. 11] it seems nothing is being done," he said. "[The CPSC] don’t seem to want to correct the problem. "They’re being counterproductive to what they’re trying to do. They seem so destined to get our youth off of off-highway vehicles. It’s insane. It’s un-American. "I understand the intent to protect children from lead poisoning grossly painted on general consumer products. That’s fine. I’m all for that protection where it’s been an issue by acceptable definition and public concern. "But to paralyze an industry where there’s never been an issue? What the heck? "The problem is [the CPSC] have absolutely no definition about what an ‘accessible component’ is. What is readily accessible for a child to remove in a sealed compartment and ingest is definitely a ‘No list, no law.’ They couldn’t even get that definition down. "My other question is this stay notice. In my opinion, how was it voted on? From my understanding a committee member and an acting chair may have produced this stay in private. I’m not sure. I want to know. Something doesn’t seem right about that. "In another one of my opinions, I question the timeline. While there is absolute strife in this economy, [businesses] should be encouraged to operate, not be further restricted. "On a global perspective, I can only imagine other countries looking at our government entities and saying, ‘What a bunch of retards.’ Blunders and problems need to go away. This is embarrassing for our nation. "My biggest concern is facing the parents who still want their children to ride by purchasing [in protest] 200cc and 125cc bikes. "Is safety really a concern on the big agenda? Yes, it is. Now more so than ever it really, really is. [The CPSC] have no idea [about the industry]." Corona Motorsports general manager Gus Ysatsa was calmly hopeful. "I’m optimistic that this will heal itself," he stated. "With the unintended consequences forced on the industry I’m sure our industry leaders can help repair this matter. At our [retail] level we can’t do anything. The OEMs are strapped [by the government commissions]. So are we. "Forty percent of our business comes from the families supporting the mini bike kids’ industry. I now have $100,000 in inventory in storage that we’re paying interest on. Not good." Temecula Motorsports, Advertisement "At the end of the day – and I’m not saying this lightly – I believe that we have enough logical people to turn this around. "It’s affecting my business dramatically. Nobody’s happy about this," he concluded.
Adult mini bike market Jimmy Gallegos, manager of aftermarket manufacturer Sano Systems, based in Murrieta, explained, "Our specialty mini bike aftermarket parts are specifically designed and sold to the adult market to adapt to the size and physical needs of our customers. "[CPSC is] pulling the roots of the sport right out of the ground. The kids [riding] today grow up to be our customers. "We’ve had a chance to discuss this matter with Red Baron Racing and BBR Motorsports, also very reputable leaders in the professional racing and adult mini bike market. Our roundtable discussion concluded that we’d fight this absurdity. "This is absolutely crippling for the economy. It’s going to take away more jobs. In a technical sense our technology is taking a big hit by false expectations appearing real in [the CPSC] world. "It’s almost like [the CSPC] just sat around yelling out random items to add to a checklist without thinking or caring about the consequences." None of the dealerships interviewed in this story had any documents stating the CPSCIA stay order from the federal commission or any related officiating agency, office director or staff.
On the race front Greg Robinson, vice president of marketing for Unadilla MX Park in upstate New York, had some grim news to share with his customers. "We received a directive from Yamaha issuing a recommendation standard," he said. "We’ve considered complying a with a new age restriction on our entire amateur racing series by raising the age limit to 13 years old for entries. We haven’t adjusted anything as of yet. "The concern could be a huge liability for: a) the industry and b) our insurance. Right now we’ve got to look at the whole scope of this and factor in the least common denominators. "Since we’re connected with factory sponsorships and contingencies we’d be crazy to drop a [race] gate on anybody under the age of 13 where they could be ‘potentially exposed to traces of lead’ deemed under the federal regulation. "Unadilla hosts seven events with three major amateur races: the American Motorcycle Association MX Nationals with 1,200 entries, All Terrain Vehicle Association Pro ATV Series with 600 entries and Grand National Cross Country series that varies between 1,500 and 1,800 entries. "The kids made for one-third of our entire entries, which equaled exactly one-half of our spectator attendance in additional family members. "In the ripple of the effect you lose. Without amateur racing there is no series. We lose a whole generation out of the sport, a whole demographic. "The sad part for me, in mid-January I had never heard of this. Three or four days ago we’re in this position of canceling everything. This is definitely the tail wagging the dog. "We’re 20 minutes away from Cooperstown, the home of the Baseball Hall of Fame. They used to have an annual event that brought 30 to 50 thousand people to town for a weekend. They don’t have that anymore. "The good thing for us is we don’t race year-round. There’s two feet of snow on the ground so I don’t have to cancel a race this weekend, but in warmer climates there’s racing every weekend. "Bad regulation produces bad results and unintended consequences. The CSPC painted this act with too broad of a brush." Robinson was invited for an in-studio interview with his local NBC station for future airing.
Practice makes perfect Rick Johnson, co-owner of Perris Raceway, the oldest motocross park in the State of California, offers the very popular Mini Night practice on the big track for experienced young riders. Mini Night practice will evaporate in a matter of weeks, as regular maintenance parts that keep the mini bikes safely operating are no longer available for the parents to purchase and replace. Johnson lamented, "Oh, I can’t imagine how this is going to affect the entire industry. This will put a major damper on everything. "We have to do what’s right. What they’re doing is not right, period. This [stay] doesn’t benefit anybody. "The focus of [Perris Raceway] is to release energy and to have a positive connection with one’s mind, body and soul. Essentially, [CSPS] just want the kids to sit at home for another night hooked up to electronic games, watching TV and snacking away. "We enjoy families; I have kids too. We’re always aimed and focused on building the future of the sport. This is a travesty."
Industry troubleshooting Ty van Hooydonk, director of product communications for the Motorcycle Industry Council, stressed, "This day in particular, what’s critical for us is we’re rallying everybody at the [four-day] Dealer Trade Show in Indianapolis Feb. 13-16. "We have representatives available for discussions. There are displays and signs all over the show. "We have a computer in our booth for online commenting. The tradeshow attendees can easily make their opinions known. "Consumers need to step up the need for common-sense exclusions. "The public can do so by visiting the letter generator at the Americans for Responsible Recreation Access Web site, the Motorcycle Industry Council’s Web site or the American Motorcycle Association’s Web site. "There are directions and links for writing to the CPSC for economic emergency exemption."
Links For up-to-the-minute updates, visit the following sites. • Motorcycle Industry Council: www.mic.org • American Motorcycle Association press release: www.amadirectlink.com/news/story.asp?id=613 • Letter to CSPC seeking emergency economic relief: www.amadirectlink.com/news/story.asp?id=595 • Collection of links and news stories: www.thegeneralsrecreationden.blogspot.com/2009/02/congress-is-hearing-your-voice-on-youth.html • Americans for Responsible Recreation Access: www.arra-access.com • Congressman Darrell Issa (represents Temecula region): www.issa.house.gov
52 comments for "Mini bike ban confuses consumers, burdens powersports industry"12:27 pm Thu, Feb 19th, 2009 1. Jeff says :Were just all toads getting slowly cooked to death. Anyone remember the Boston tea party? Look it up if you don't. 12:27 pm Thu, Feb 19th, 2009 2. Jason Scrimpsher says :I first heard about this ban on February 12th 2009 out at my son’s practice in Adelanto, CA at Racetown395 prior to his race with CMC Golden State Nationals. I could not believe people would want to take this away from our children and hurt our economy more than it already is. Our children where never into stick and ball sports, but loved to ride their motorcycles. Motocross has filled that gap in their life. My ten year old has been racing motocross now for 2 rears and has a new level of confidence and self esteem. Our five year old will be racing this spring with his big brother. In addition to the development of our children both Motocross events and desert riding have brought our family closer together and have met new life long friends. How can anyone want to take that away? 12:27 pm Thu, Feb 19th, 2009 3. sal de la mora says :this ban is the result of the traditionally excepted Greed,Arrogance,and ignorance,from promoters of amateur mx who treat all mom & Dads like mindless mealtickets. AMA,NMA, the pathetic gods of motocross who take our hard earned money and now where are they? including,KTM,Honda,Suzuki,Yamaha,Kawasaki,show us your clout! where is all the support? 12:28 pm Thu, Feb 19th, 2009 4. uglybiker says :There are some whose lives suck and they won't be satisfied until yours sucks, too. These people naturally gravitate toward jobs in government. 12:28 pm Thu, Feb 19th, 2009 5. IDaman says :Read "Unintended Consequences" It's time to feed the hogs. 12:28 pm Thu, Feb 19th, 2009 6. Derren Payce says :Those of you who thought gun owners fighting a lead ban were nuts, now know first hand what we were fighting for. 9:20 am Fri, Feb 20th, 2009 7. Dale says :If you don't like what is going on then contact your President! www.whitehouse.gov and send your feelings you will have 5000 charectors to express your openion and outcry/outrage 9:20 am Fri, Feb 20th, 2009 8. mike lewis says :My 8 year old son eats,sleeps and breaths motocross,for the last three years we as a family have been bonding together while spending time at the track, while doing this, we have been able to teach him valuable life lessons, building friendships and teaching him to follow through with what he starts. This ban has got to be reversed . 9:20 am Fri, Feb 20th, 2009 9. Dale says :what i don't understand is the automobile industry would have a recall for the defective parts why don't the motorcycle industry? Who are these masked people hiding under a false pretense?  9:20 am Fri, Feb 20th, 2009 10. DALE says :there are those that think they understand and read the notice but what about those that don't understand it I called a dealer yesterday and they said they were no longer selling any parts for a 125cc and smaller 9:20 am Fri, Feb 20th, 2009 11. Earle C says :Having been a bureaucrat, I can advise you that if you want to throw an unreasonable ruling into reverse, make sure you send a large number of thoughtful, urgent letters to your Senators and Representative, pointing out this CPSC ruling has little benefit and extremely adverse unintended consequences for families, children's fitness and an industry. 9:20 am Fri, Feb 20th, 2009 12. Charlie says :As is the case with many things our government does, rather than correct the actual problem which is lead and toys, they take all aspects of a potential problem and put a blanket policy on it. This will be my 46th season of riding and in 2 kids as well as 6 grand kids, I have yet to have one of them attempt to eat a motorcycle or any portion of that motorcycle or quad. At present, there are enough safety stickers on these bikes and quads to eliminate any need for graphics so why not add one more that simply says, "Not for human consumption." It's time to take our fun back and voice an opinion with our government leaders. If not, I don't see any reason for anyone to complain. 9:21 am Fri, Feb 20th, 2009 13. tim says :There's probably a couple kids in his nieghborhood buzzing around and getting on his nerves. A$$hole can't let kids have some fun. Always a new law. Time to revolt against some of this crap. I say keep selling the bikes 9:24 am Fri, Feb 20th, 2009 14. RayceCarr says :This ban will only cause young riders who are not ready and or skilled for a bigger bike who love the sport to jump onto those bigger bikes. My son has never enjoyed the "traditional" sports, motorcycles have been such a major part in his development as a person. Contibuting to his overall development by teaching his good sportmanship and helping him to be proud of his accomplishments. What is next? Not allowing him to ride a bike because some parent was so irresponsible to not provide supervision and some toddler chewed on the bike tires?! Maybe there is a larger issue if your kids might chew on the motorcycle parts! 2:41 pm Fri, Feb 20th, 2009 15. gina says :All the links are also at www.motocandy.com/actionalert.htm Please send a letter! 2:41 pm Fri, Feb 20th, 2009 16. Jeff says :It will do you no good to contact anybody. I've sent 3 e-mails and all received no response, not even a form letter e-mail response. They are going to do what they want. Have you seen any response from any part of government on this issue? Google for it, you will not find it. Many articles state the CPSC did not return comment. It is time to take this to the next level. Get your guns folks. 8:53 am Sat, Feb 21st, 2009 17. Charlie says :Jeff, your representatives do not respond to electronic mail however, they are very likely to respond to a letter or better yet, a hand written letter that is signed by you. This doesn't mean your voice isn't heard. 8:53 am Sat, Feb 21st, 2009 18. Jack T says :This is just unbelievable. My son raced and rode from the time he was 4. We met so many people and got to go places. I have yet to believe he suffered from a "lead" exposure, our government is going the way of its color. 10:40 am Mon, Feb 23rd, 2009 19. mary glab says :this is so assinine. i have been going to mx races since 1975. never have i seen one child lick, bite, or chew any part of his motorcycle or riding equipment. Where did these idiots come from and where are the other idiots from the AMA. All the racers have to be in AMA to race but all they seem to care about are the street riders rights and most of them aren't in the AMA. 10:40 am Mon, Feb 23rd, 2009 20. mary glab says :this is so assinine. i have been going to mx races since 1975. never have i seen one child lick, bite, or chew any part of his motorcycle or riding equipment. Where did these idiots come from and where are the other idiots from the AMA. All the racers have to be in AMA to race but all they seem to care about are the street riders rights and most of them aren't in the AMA. 10:40 am Mon, Feb 23rd, 2009 21. Tommc282 says :Everyone wanted to vote for change! Well folks we got it! 10:40 am Mon, Feb 23rd, 2009 22. Steve says :I cant beleave this. I grew up riding. My 7 year old duaghter rides. I think that we as the poeple are letting the govnerment get away with to much. They already have been tring to tell us how to live are lives. Now they want to tell us how to raise our kids. 10:40 am Mon, Feb 23rd, 2009 23. Dan says :Can dealers still sell off their current stock? Because the government shouldn't be able to stop them from doing so. Its...Un-American in the biggest way. 10:40 am Mon, Feb 23rd, 2009 24. mike says :This is one of the dumbest things i have ever heard of!!!I think these people need to keep their nose in their own business.Im sure i have been exposed to all kinds of lead based products in my life and i am fine.I think we should ban idiots from signing things like this into law,our government agencies should be spending their time on something that is actually a problem. 10:40 am Mon, Feb 23rd, 2009 25. kevin says :we have been riding bikes since the 70s there is always something the government has to get involved with! let the kids alone,the bikes are safe we are sure,just trying to hurt another business,not fair 10:40 am Mon, Feb 23rd, 2009 26. dissapointed says :I am not sure about you but I can't remember ever seeing a child in the garage or at the track eating fenders or chomping on tires of a motorcycle/atv. They must have really thought this one through when they passed it through.............NOT!! 10:40 am Mon, Feb 23rd, 2009 27. MX Mom says :Well, I guess it's only a matter of time until we will not be allowed to transport our children in the family car (or even better yet...the big yellow school bus). I am all about children and safety. This governmental 'safety' regulation is wrong and needs to be corrected immediately. Our lawmakers should focus on regulating tap water so that it is clean and drinkable. Motocross is a family sport and it keeps a lot of kids healthy and out of trouble. 1:35 pm Mon, Feb 23rd, 2009 28. charleyk in LQ says :MX Mom is on to something. I know that the busses that our kids ride on, our cars, and many other things that our kids have access to has lead, but NOT ONCE have i seen MY 10 year old in the garage nawing on the side case of his bike! 6:01 pm Mon, Feb 23rd, 2009 29. dale L says :I agree with mx mom but when they start on theater issue they may say these same bikes are causing the bad water. Our community is very big into mx racing and most of our racers are small children so if they ban these bikes and parts it would shut down our race season. 2:46 pm Wed, Feb 25th, 2009 30. baja man says :Thats real smart of the people in charge to take this away from the kids. It is such a great way for them to stay out of trouble and to spend more time with family and friends. This is proof that the people who put this crap into law are some of the dumbest people in the country. And to those of you that voted for our new President, are you happy now? Him and his crew of self centered idiots are going to ruin alot more than just this for americans. All they are in it for is to make themselves much more rich. This law is a great way to make the economy better. Yeah take away more jobs and ways of people to spend money the way they want. Good job dems. you retards. Let kids ride their bikes and get your heads out of your a$$e$!! They could have just made it mandatory to let the buyer know that there is lead involved. 7:02 pm Wed, Feb 25th, 2009 31. C. J. Stewart says :This ban is a total T.E.A. party. Agency lack of transperency, efficiency, and accountability. The CSPS federal commission was warned repetedly that what they planned to do was going to have unintended consequences. Yet, the federal commission ignored our experts in the industry. This is overboard. 7:42 am Sat, Feb 28th, 2009 32. john says :What's next go carts 7:42 am Sat, Feb 28th, 2009 33. a/c says :god help any official that trys to take away 40 yrs.of family motorcycle history from from my family(good luck on that one fella's!!!!!!!!!!!like jeff said"get your guns folks" 8:47 am Sun, Mar 1st, 2009 34. jim says :i was raised riding bikes we went to the desert as a family and had fun going as a family i am 35 now and have a 3 year old and a 1 year old both to small to ride but was looking forward to taking my family to the desert to see nature and get outside i think it is a great way to get a work out and experiance life outside of the realm of tv.i am sick and tired of the irresponsible people messing it up for the masses of good people who live for riding. i have been around motorcycles all my life and i have never seen any body child or adult eat or injest and part of a bike. i live in california and there is a big law suit over toys with lead in them that are made in china just like the parts and gear for ridding they are still selling the toys why are they targrting the motorcycle group. if u ask me this will ruin the way i thought i would spend quailty time with my kids and as they got older if this stupid law isit over turned. and i agre with another comment i read on the sit and that is where is honda kawi yamaha ktm suzuki spend the money now or loze it forever 5:07 pm Sun, Mar 1st, 2009 35. cleatus says :This is just another way our politicians are looking out for us. 5:07 pm Sun, Mar 1st, 2009 36. ss says :you voted for change! by the time there done thats all your going to have left is a little bit of change! PS. lock&load 9:05 pm Sun, Mar 1st, 2009 37. ktmdad says :I'm trying to keep up with this the best I can and all I've read and heard are the same comments. It's time to take a stand and let the government know that we won't be hearded like cows. Whats the fine if a dealer sells a mini? Whats the fine if I buy it? Why in h3ll can't I buy a helmet for the safety of my son? Someone said the CPSC is made up of 2 people that do all decision making, all of our future riding depends on 2 people that have probably never gotten their fingernails dirty. Get your guns, get your ammo, your gonna need'em 7:45 am Mon, Mar 9th, 2009 38. Bill says :Un f ing believable, people our country and our liberties are being taken from us little by little in so many ways. I am 44 years old and I have seen so many rules put in play and freedoms removed from us in my short time here. You can thank all the attorneys and the Insurance companies. They could care less about you or your kids. These laws are there to protect the wealth of corperate america. "We the People" need to organize and take america back while we still can. We need to write, write & write our reps of this country and vote out anyone that does not put the rights of all americans first. My grandfather died in world war 2 fighting for this country. I can only imagine what he would think of the shape the country is in now and how it has been run. 8:36 am Tue, Mar 10th, 2009 39. goober says :goverment knows best you bunch of dummies.........we only want to help you...... its the nanny state. 1:40 pm Wed, Mar 11th, 2009 40. Mikey says :Get it clear that this is not a "dumb" action. Its a very clever way by clever people to get what they want. Which is to stop you from enjoying freedoms. The closing of public land is brought to you by the same people. What are you willing to do about it? 7:12 pm Mon, Mar 23rd, 2009 41. DirtWeed says :So I guess Fishing Weights/anchors are next to pull from store shelves? they have lead don't they? I know when I was ten years old, I would rather chew on my exhaust valve and lick my Lead battery terminals instead of jumping 50 feet. Don't Worry people, they are really phasing in whats to come. A full ban on off roading because its ripping up the land they will give to China for the deficit loans. Now we will have to have a blackmarket 50 cc pipeline from mexico. 11:07 am Tue, Mar 24th, 2009 42. Tom says :I would rather see my kids, all three of them, outside burning up the yard or our field than inside watching tv and playing viedo games! Witch one is healther? 12:15 pm Sat, Mar 28th, 2009 43. Charlie says :It's great to see folks fighting to get the ban lifted but these kids may not have time to ride if HR1388 passes and they are forced into mandatory civil service. Hah, bet you didn't know about that now did ya? 11:36 am Fri, May 1st, 2009 44. Big Pasta says :California is sooooooooo freaking lame!! I hate it here, pretty soon the only thing that you will be able to do around here for fun is charge your Prius battery and seperate recyclables out of your garbage. 11:35 pm Mon, May 4th, 2009 45. Agreefe says :any updates coming ? 6:22 am Sat, May 16th, 2009 46. Norm Cardillo says :I have been an ardent minibiker and mopeder since 1966. I have had seven different bikes. Bikes from Sears, Honda, Rupp, and of late a China job. The only one that ever made me sick was a Phantom 4 electric scooter from China. It wasn't from the batteries. It was the plastic parts. The beautiful cowling and fairing. I estimate 10% lead. I always stored my bikes in the house. Without gas in the tank. When I was a kid, I loved my bikes so much, I parked them next to my bed. Never got sick. We need to police this stuff ourselves and get the gov't out of it. We should have the know how to make a safe, cheap, durable bike here in America. 12:51 pm Sun, Jul 26th, 2009 47. Billy says :Im a kid that loves to ride his dirtbikes and when I out grow my bike. And I get like a 09 100cc dirtbike I wont be able to get parts for it. come on I think my dad needs to get his guns 12:54 pm Sun, Jul 26th, 2009 48. Billy says :Im a kid that loves to ride his dirtbikes and when I out grow my bike. And I get like a 05 85cc dirtbike I wont be able to get parts for it. come on I think my dad needs to get his guns 7:05 pm Sun, Aug 2nd, 2009 49. Nomad says :(CPSC) board might have used some thought process if they knew their names & pictures were going to be published for the public every time they passed safety legislation - good or bad. Would love to put a face on these clowns. 5:42 am Mon, Aug 31st, 2009 50. Paul Chambers says :what a sad day....for America.........we used to think China was a horrible place, now Gm is expanding there and closing here.If you want to make any money in the market you invest in China and Asia companies.....everything is made in China...copied from other countries.Case tractors,Cummins engines,no jobs here should we move to China? 9:24 am Mon, Dec 7th, 2009 51. John says :Is this a bad dream? This is the moment in our history to ponder the idea " we the people"! Let's move away from the blogs/responses and get in these morons faces! For the record, this has nothing to do with Obama,it was planned before he was in office. With that being said,I would like to see Obama implement some real change and reverse this moronic policy! 10:21 am Thu, Dec 24th, 2009 52. Who Cares says :Cry Babies!!! They all say the Kids, but it's the parents that buy them,not the kids. |
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